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Hello everybody, I know it’s been some months since I posted last, but I have a ton of information and updates regarding the 2010 edition of the SCBC. I have material for probably 100 posts–I bet I won’t get to them all–based on the hunting and pecking and Googling and emailing I did following up more than 100 questions from readers since the 2009 edition went to bed.

In fact, that is my lame excuse for not posting, I’ve gotten so many great questions/facts to run down since I put out an APB for new finds and pricing help on Forum 54 in Nov. that I haven’t really stopped to take a breath and do a broadcast here for the hobby.

But yesterday, I ran down a question that is perfect for here.

Chuck Lumb writes:

Don,
 
I find it a bit odd that the Topps product name in the Standard Catalog does not always match the name on the actual product wax pack.
 
Here are a few examples:
  • Catalog says 1968 Action All-Star Stickers; wax pack says Action Stickers.
  • Catalog says 1969 4-On-1 Mini Stickers; wax pack says Mini-Stickers.
  • Catalog says 1970 Story Booklets; wax pack says Booklets.
  • Catalog says 1973 Candy Lids; tub says Bubble Gum.
  • Catalog says 1974 Deckle Edge; wax pack says Photos
  • Catalog says 1984 Rub Downs; wax pack says Photo Rub-Downs.

Let me know what you think.
 
Thanks.

This is a great question that sent me scrambling for an appropriate response. I don’t consider myself a newbie anymore, but if we were to consider Bob Lemke and Rich Klein the Mantle and Maris of annual price guides, I’m the Trot Nixon if you get my drift.


1968 Topps Action All-Star Stickers
Robinson/Perez/McDowell

So I decided to consult Bob on this question. In these instances, I like to make an educated guess in my query to check my progress in learning “catalog logic,” which seems to be part art, part science, and part voodoo.

Left to my own devices, I would side with the pack labels because in this reference book I try to take the most anal-retentive, accurate way of doing things. But “catalog logic” seemed to be making a big statement to me, showing evidence that so many of these sets–relatively big names, at least compared to 1976 Kroger Reds photos and the thousand other little sets like it in the Catalog–did not match the packs.

Judging from this, I deduced, in my email to Bob, that we call the sets names other than what’s on the pack labels because they are the name collectors actually call them when discussing the sets. In this way, informal hobby parlance, over the years, becomes de facto formal names of the sets? Is that right? Does that explain the discrepancy? Bob replies:

You are exactly correct. As with any jargon, the names by which we know these products are those that caught collectors’ fancy and attained their status through common usage. The grading companies, by and large, took their cue from the SCBC.

So there you have it.

Eric “Beefski” Smith, Hage’s Dairy Pacific Coast League cards collector, emails us a couple unlisted additions for the 2010 (yeah, we’re working on it already) Catalog. And a picture to post here! We thank you, Beefski!

Here are the “new” cards:

  • 1949/Johnny Gorsica
  • 1950/Dennis Luby (fielding) [pictured]
  • 1951/Harry Simpson

He also points out the 1949 Bobby Wilson isn’t “pitching” as it was listed in the Catalog, since he was a second baseman. The 1951 Hage’s listing has him “Fldg,” so thanks for helping us fix the 1949s.

We can only speculate why they’d want so many variations of Dennis Luby across the Hage’s PCL sets, other than he might have been a fan favorite–a Derek Jeter or Dustin Pedroia or David Eckstein of his day–or maybe he was an endorser.

My editor Justin Moen emails another query from out there in the hobby:

Bobby Bazzell, who has worked with both Bob and I in the past, has a St. Louis Cardinals photo book and he would like to know exactly what it is.

The actual photo book is blue-gray in color, with CARDINALS at the top. There’s a picture of a bird, bat, and ball in the middle, and 1953 below the picture. The writing and picture are red in color. The book is about 3-1/8″ x 4″. There are 29 black and white photos that are about 2-1/8″ x 3″. The photo holders accordion out from the front and back of the book, and the photos are on the front and back of each accordion strip. There are no names or statistics. He was guessing that they may have been sold by vendors at the ball park in 1953. He also thought they were a team issued item or team authorized item.

I took it to Bob and he was not familiar with it. Since there were no names or statistics, it didn’t seem like a team issued or authorized item to him, but it also doesn’t look like an average Joe Cardinal fan from home did it either, since the photos are very high-end in quality, and the whole thing looks professionally done.

Does this sound familiar with this and can shed light on what it is, and how we can catalog it?

We will get a scan up ASAP.

1933 Goudey Blue Back

Robert Edward Auction’s Rob Lifson sends us emails about cool stuff that comes down his pike. Here’s the latest:

We found this in Charlie Conlon’s collection–it is a 1933 Goudey with blue printing on the back. I’ve only ever seen one like it before, A year or two ago we found one in an original owner set (different player – Manush). Charlie really liked rare and unusual cards – he had this with his rarest cards. I have no idea where he got it but it looks like it was cut from a sheet.

Thanks for sharing!

Brett Craig dropped this in the comment section but it’s definitely a topic for its own post:

Don I was wondering if you might be able to help me with some info on a card I purchased a couple of months ago. It is a 2006 Topps Allen & Ginter Rip card of Alex Rodriguez with the back of the card #PP-1. I’ve heard they were given to dealers as a promo. The question is are there any other players and how many different players are out there? I ran this on the Tuff Stuff and SCD sites but didn’t get much response . Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. I will post a scan if if you like. Not sure if this is going to the correct spot but here goes….Thanks Brett

Promo cards are an interesting breed. Most of them, no doubt you know, are worth less than their brethren, especially in this particular set: Far more of the promos were probably made than the actual rip card (limited to 100) but we can’t know for sure. This A-Rod piece seems to go for $100-$150, so it’s clearly less common than promos I am accustomed to. Like you I’m having a difficult time finding evidence of this particular card’s existence, but there is a 2006 Mantle Mini (PP-2) that goes for about $10, and a promo set from the 2006 National that is unrelated but can be confused with it. I have emailed someone who looks like he might have some more info on this, stay tuned.

Of course, anyone reading this who can add some knowledge, please drop it in the comments section.

Send me a pic & I will post it.

Reader Brandie Stucky emailed a question about a sneaky little Eric Chavez card:

I have a 2002 SPx # 209 – Eric Chavez.

It matches the card pictured on page 1245 of the 2008 Standard Catalog. However, those in the book, are only listed up to number 190. Having gone through a few thousand cards over the last few weeks, I think I have the book figured out, but who knows!

Anyway, if you could point me in the right direction, I’d be very grateful!

I put this query to Tuff Stuff staffer and my colleague, Joe Clemens. He knows the database of the modern issues like the back of his hand, solves the mystery:

Your card isn’t listed in 2002 SPX because it came out of 2002 Upper Deck
Rookie Update.

We list cards with the product that the card came out of. Rookie Update
updated three sets: SP Authentic, SPX and Diamond Collection

Its on page 1615 in the 2009 Edition.

Thanks for asking your question and for buying our book, Brandie.

1930 Post Famous North Americans
Christy Mathewson

We get email. Or, in this case, I get messages on MySpace because when people pop my name into Google, my dormant, crusty MySpace page is the first hit, for some odd reason. But because it’s the only way for some Standard Catalog readers to find me, I pan for gold through all that spam…and lo and behold I found a nugget today:

My name is Dan Mathewson. Christy Mathewson, the NY Giants pitcher of [yore], is my great-great uncle. I’ve been collecting memorabilia of his for years.

…There is an entry for the 1930 Post Cereal Famous North Americans. Wherein Christy is featured on the back of the cereal box with three other characters: Andrew Jackson, Dan’l Boone and Pocahontas. I have three of the cards graded (Christy alone). But, i wondered if you have ever come across a “guide” or suggestion for a value given two other instances: One, where i have the entire back panel (christy and the other three persons). And, Two, where I have the entire cereal box (lid/top cut off).

This is an interesting question. As always, the exact correct answer is “whatever someone will pay you for it, that’s what it’s worth.” Especially on these cards, which sell so infrequently it’s tough to get a bead on rock-solid pricing figures.

That being said, it’s hard to take that to the insurance appraiser, so I huddled with Bob Lemke via email and did some power-Googling and we came up with:

  • 10-15% premium over the total value of the individual cards for the box panel.
  • The whole box is tough; Bob estimates (and I agree) that a whole box, intact, would be valued roughly at double the sum of the card prices. Without the top, though, we’d only multiply it 40-50%.

Hope this helps!